6+5 and why we have to stop it

By: Rob | May 30th, 2008

The man behind 6+5Sepp Blatter got one step closer to getting his controversial 6+5 policy implemented by 2012, after a FIFA congress voted a landslide in favour of the policy. If you haven’t been paying attention, here’s what it comes down to. All clubs would have to field 6 players from thier own country in thier Starting XI, and thus could only have 5 from abroad. This obviously is going to have a massive effect on the Champions League, and so I think its only right I have a look at the policy and tell you exactly what I think.

The idea, in principle I suppose is that the big money-filled sides will no longer be able to buy out all the best players from around the world and make outragously exciting teams from the best players in the world. The great thing about club football is that anyone can play from anywhere and all come together. And you might not like Real Madrid, or indeed Chelsea, but it can’t really be argued that the idea of putting together a World XI isn’t at least a little exciting?
Besides, as we could probably work out the big teams would just buy all thier national talent, and there would be no change to the dominence of the big teams.

Obviously the affect on the Champions League would be massive. Now the Champions League has many, many flaws. But what it does have, is the best club teams in the world going up against each other season after season. If 6+5 came into play, then it would basically be alot lke the European Championships, but you know every year. It would devalue the Champions League, and the Euros.

It probably should be worth pointing out, that Man United started the Champions League final with 6 British players anyway, Chelsea with 5. So its not as if the most successful (currently, not historically Liverpool fans) English clubs are actually just buying all the overseas talent (leave that to Arsenal and Liverpool) they’re breeding and buying English as well.
Would Cesc have come to Arsenal with 6+5?
The big thing in this country (for I am English), is about our national team. There’s a stat that only a third of players playing in the Premier League last season were English, and England didn’t qualify for the Euros so thier must be a connection right? right? Wrong. Not only is the Prem the main league for Irish, Welsh and a fair few Scottish as well, so you probably should add them to the number because we are always going to have those, but if you kicked out all the overseas players - not only would the league be less exciting (would Arsenal have bred Fabregas? No. Would United have taken a risk on Ronaldo? Not likely) - but all you would do is make the lesser English player rise to the top. This is NOT going to improve the national team. I’m also of the opinion that the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Joe Cole would have become better players from playing with world class overseas players all thier lives. The other big flaw in the argument is that if thier were such a massive amount of English players who were all unable to get into the club sides here because of those nasty forign players then, well they’d up and go abroad right? right? Well David Beckham is the only Englishman I can think of who earns his way outside of the UK.Beckham is the only Englishman abroad

The 6+5 rule is supposed to equal parity as well, but what the hell would the African players do? I don’t think there has been any doubt that the current generation of African players has been thier best ever, and not only that but they have gained a great deal from playing in London, Barcelona and Milan. If the 6+5 rule came in, no clubs would take the risk on African Players, especially with the African Cup of Nations as well. They’d all have to go back to Africa, and then what? Well African football is set back a good few years I’m afraid. Ditto Asian footballers.One of a generation of Africans who would be heading home

There’s also the small fact that its illegal. It does discriminate based on nationality, whichever way you look at it, and that is not something we really want to go down is it? I mean, say you apply for a job as a postman in a distant land. And then the Post Office says, “Sorry Guv, but we’re only able to have 40% of our workforce coming from abroad”. You’d think, “hang on, but i’m the best person for this job, and isn’t this denying me work based on my background? predjudice at best, Xenophobia or Rascism at worst?” If it seems out of order the Post Office doing it, why is it any less wrong for football to do it? Surely a person should be employed because they are the best candidate for the job, not because of where they were born?

There is also the fact that the clubs will not take this lying down. The Artist Formally Known as G14 will probably be talking to each other very long and hard about this. A few years ago, there was an idea by the G14 that they should break away from UEFA and form a European Super League. Now, I don’t know about you, but I think that a break-away league would be catastrophic for football. Sure it’d be exciting for awhile, but it would ruin the foundations of football, and would be a money-grabbing exercise that would make The Champions League look like an honest competetion. The big clubs relationship with UEFA and FIFA is not great at the moment with the whole Webster Clause stuff going on, if Blatter implemented this, I would be seriously worried about a break-away league. Someone would fund it, TV companies for one, and then bang, football is ruined for everyone.

So in conclusion, no I do not think that 6+5 is a good idea. I hope to hell Sepp doesn’t get his way, frankly he’s gone too far this time.





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  • Mike |  May 30th, 2008 at 8:07 am

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    This rule is an affront to capitalism, free trade and economics in general. What gives Blatter the right to tell, in some cases, publicly owned companies whom they can employ. Here’s hoping the EU slaps him down in short order.
    http://startingeleven.blogspot.com/2008/05/fifa-approves-blatters-rule-or-when-650.html

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  • Justo |  May 30th, 2008 at 8:31 am

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    I’d rather use Adida’s Jose + 10.

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  • Rob |  May 30th, 2008 at 9:07 am

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    Mike - I’m not big on economics and whatever, but I agree with what you say in your blog. Its just damaging to football in my view.

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  • rc |  May 30th, 2008 at 9:17 am

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    How about a salary cap for teams that would prevent them from splashing zilloins of dollars, but not limiting who they sign or where they come from?

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  • Brian |  May 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am

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    As much as I want all of the super-clubs in the world to die in a firey pit of humility. This initiative isn’t going to be very effective.

    But it also won’t be nearly as harmful as you’re making it out to be. Since (as you pointed out) Manyoo already had 6 english starters in their top rotation then rule wouldn’t affect them at all. As long as they can create decent line ups with 6 english starters then they can have an entire foreign bench. Everyone also brings up the issue of the african or asian players clubs bring players into their youth systems because they believe they have the potential to possible be a first team contributor, once a kid is in the youth system then there is more then enough opportunity somewhere in europe if he has enough talent.

    This entire thing is a non-issue except for fans who are afraid that their teams might actually have to compete on an even playing surface for once.

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  • Blue Devil Brad |  May 30th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

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    I’m not afraid of teams having to compete on an even playing surface - I’m afraid of the big G14+ clubs saying “We don’t have to compete on an even playing surface if we don’t want to.” If they don’t like the rules, they’ll take their ball and their TV money and play their own game on the continent. They’ve threatened it before, and 6+5 could be the rule to finally push them to do it.

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  • alessio |  May 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

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    I don’t like 6+5 (and it won’t happen), but I think Platini’s Uefa rule is a winner, the 4+4. It’s reasonable, it’s not as demanding, and best of all, it’s legal. Thoughts on it, Rob?

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  • Johonna |  May 31st, 2008 at 12:10 am

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    I think it is an important distinction to note that “players from their own country” are players that are eligible for the county’s national team. Who is eligible and who is not is a country by country thing, and is not necessary based on where a player was born or where he grew up. You only have to look at Italy for that: we have Camoranesi, an Argentinian who has an Italian grandfather so got a passport and plays for the Azzurri on one side, and Balotelli who was born and raised in Italy but to Ghanan parents so is not officially Italian and cant play for the national team. Under Blatter’s rule, Balotelli would not count as an Italian.

    The whole idea is a mess.

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  • Rob |  May 31st, 2008 at 5:50 am

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    alessio - 4+4 thing is a good idea I think, and comepletely workable. 4 players who were trained by you, regardless of nationality, and 4 players who were trained in your country regardless of nationality within the squad. This makes sense, because you don’t have to use them, but obviously you are giving yourself a big disadvantage if you don’t. So I think its a really good idea actually - although I think they have something similar in place already?

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  • mele419 |  June 2nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm

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    OR, we can just leave things as they are because they are working just fine and everyone can stop bitching and Sepp can go fiddle with other things.

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  • mele419 |  June 2nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm

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    Johonna, Camo is a naturalized Italian though. So really, all players need to do to side-step this rule is to become a naturalized citizen of the nation. This would require a great desire and commitment to that club though, which would make it rare.

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  • Sporel |  June 2nd, 2008 at 8:28 pm

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    The rule states 6+5 for domestic leagues, not international competitions. Big clubs are the only ones who could afford to still do those big transfers and sit them on the bench for domestic games. It would actually open up the gap between big clubs and others. So, CL after the group stage would not be affected much.

    Eu would not allow it anyway. Blatter will probably move on to plan B, the compromise plan, soon.

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  • Johonna |  June 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 pm

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    Players became citizens of Italy all the time before they dropped the quota thing. It was not so rare and there were some very dubious papers being used.

    The point is, Blatter’s rule does not and will not do what he wants it to - it will not protect the “nationalness” of teams or stop talent strip mining from Africa and South America. For Italy, all it will mean is that South American players will find more long lost Italian relatives (like Recoba). All it will do is make one more hoop for clubs to jump through before they field whomever they want anyway. It will not make the Serie A more Italian - whatever that means - or protect its national identity.

    And it was my understanding that UEFA already has the 4+4 rule (or Home-Grown Players Rule) in place. It only applies to Champions League and UEFA cup games. I thought it was that clubs had to have 4 players trained by them on their roster this year, 6 next year, and 8 the year after where the rule caps. I dont remember anything about 4 players trained in your country - did I miss something or is that your addition?

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  • Rob |  June 4th, 2008 at 6:00 am

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    Johonna - I think you are right regarding the 4+4 thing. I thought there was something like that in place anyway.

    Also Blatter wants to make Serie A more Italian, the EPL more English, La Liga more Spanish. But what he’s forgetting is that imports play a great part of this for some. Perhaps not the Italians, but certainly in England, part of being English is that we have such a multi-cultral society and it would be false if you took the foriegn players from this.

    Besides, all it would encourege would be for Arsenal/Man United/Chelsea etc to pick up ten year olds who look talented then mould them over here.

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